Chattin’ Thread for the Week of Aug. 29

Consider this a thread for chattin’. Off you go…

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  • Cols714

    Although I thought he was going to be a good player, I’m now glad we didn’t draft Oher since he couldn’t handle LT.

    That Ravens OL is looking mighty shaky these days.

    • Rob D

      Indeed. Sometimes when good teams pass on a player, they have good reason. I thought at the time that the Steelers should have grabbed him but I realized that I was more likely swayed by Michael Lewis’ book which was a compelling read and you obviously end up rooting for the kid.

      At the same time you have it in the back of your mind that maybe he’s the next Walter Jones and you get to watch him have a HOF level career with..gasp..The Ravens.

      Thankfully for us that’s not how it went down.

      I get more and more respect for scouts who can peel back the layers and find the true potential of these guys more times than not.

      • Roethlisbergh

        still though, how much is coaching and how much is ability?

        i wonder what coach kugler could have done with oher?  i honestly feel like the difference between oher and walter jones…  maybe 60% of that delta is coaching and offensive scheme.

        if you swapped oher and marvel smith, i wonder how each would have turned out….

  • Anonymous

    Think Andre Gurode is worth a look at guard?

  • IsraelP

    IK missed the game itself and am now listening to the full r eplay.  I am very disappointed to hear that Keenan Lewis screwed up another punt by running out of bounds on coverage.  Can’t someone solve this issue? Do we need another Troy Edwards?

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, Keenan Lewis does some boneheaded stuff sometimes, like not knowing where the field of play ends or punching glass. But honestly, you don’t need a lot of gunners, and a lot of players can fill those shoes. I was much more encouraged by his decent play at corner than I was discouraged by his special teams foul.

  • EasyLikeSundayMorning

    I wanted to float something to see what you guys think.  I think there
    might be an analogy between Wallace / Brown and Stallworth / Swann. 
    This is not in terms of careers, of course (we should wait about a
    decade to make those comparisons), but in body types and playing style. 
    My memory of Stallworth and Swann is from when I was a kid, so feel
    free to refresh my memory.

    All four were great deep threats, but Wallace, like Stallworth, uses
    more straight-line speed to get deep.  Stallworth and Wallace could do
    some good things in the short game but were/are better used and
    especially dangerous in the deep game (Stallworth holds the record of
    yards per catch in Super Bowls at 24.4, including an outrageous 40.3 in
    XIV).  Stallworth was a little taller and thinner (6’2″, 191) than
    Wallace (6’0, 199), but both are a bit upright and slightly stiff for
    elite receivers.  Wallace is faster and seems more lithe and
    Stallworth seemed to use his body positioning better in the short game.

    Brown, like Swann, on the other hand, uses more quickness along with good / great
    speed.  Both are smaller guys (Swann was listed, I think generously, at
    5’11″, 180 and Brown is 5’10″, 186) and very athletic. As his lame post-TD
    sideways jump showed this week, Brown doesn’t have Swann’s leaping
    ability (has anyone?).  But he has an emerging knack for showing up in
    big games, which Swann obviously had in droves.

    • JJ Cooper

      Interesting analogy…In both cases, I’d argue we’re talking about lesser versions of the ’70s Steelers WRs, but you mentioned that. I would say that Stallworth was a better leaper than Wallace and had better hands (Stallworth’s one-handed catch ability was unreal), but they are both more straight-line burners. And Brown is more of a smaller, more fluid receiver. Of course we have to see Brown do it in some more regular season games, but that’s an interesting point.

      • EasyLikeSundayMorning

        Good point on Stallworth’s hands.  Many of my memories of him plucking the ball out of the air like he was picking fruit from a tree.

      • EasyLikeSundayMorning

        Good point on Stallworth’s hands.  Many of my memories of him plucking the ball out of the air like he was picking fruit from a tree.

  • Hoffstra323

    Tony hills has to have a spot on this line somewhere. maybe they should try Colon at right guard and let hills play right tackle. This man just has way to much upside to sit on the bench. I like the fact that the steelers are playing him at guard, but he is built to be a tackle. He is too tall to play guard, and he is very athletic which should translate into being a good tackle. The steelers gotta get this thing figured out so the starters can get some time in together. Pouncey will also be out until the season opener.

    James Harrison does not look like james harrison. until he gets back to a hundred percent, ” If he ever does” They should give Jason Worilds the opportunity to spell Harrison. This will give everyone the chance to see if he can play football at a high level. Some people will say its to early and he needs more time in the system. I am tired of hearing that nonsense. In the case of rookies this year I would agree because of the lockout, but this is his year to shine. This is football ladies and gents, not rocket science. I get tired of people making it out to be so much more. I would rather have harrison on the field at 75% than Worilds at 100%, however if Worilds assignment is to strictly go after the quarterback, “which is all the steelers trust him to do anyway” then he should be at least adequate. Lamarr Woodley was a second round draft pick just like worilds. He played well in his rookie campaign and was a second year starter. 

    I would like to see a lot of Crezdon Butler on thursday. If he has a big game against Carolina then he should be in the mix for playing time this year. the downside for Butler appears to be his tackling, and steelers love hard hitting physical corners, combine that and the fact that he is oft injured. If he can just stay healthy than I think that more time on the field should help sure up his tackling. When he is in the game he looks impressive, he is challenging recievers for the catch more so than some of the other steeler db’s last year in preseason he did not play much, but he did get a pick, and showed enough to make the team. In his audition against the falcons he looked good, and had another pick, lets look for one more on Thursday.

    Keenan Lewis seems to be the guy who will step in for Mcfadden, or at least that’s what I have been hearing. I disagree with this. I don’t know what jumps out about this guy for people. There is no way you can trust a guy to play corner when he can’t even be a gunner on special teams, how many times has he been penalized for the same bonehead mistakes. He has looked better this year, but still has not shown enough. He has looked good in one game, and that was against the eagles. I cant give to much credit there because I think vick forgot which PA team he was playing for. He looked to be having another solid performance against the falcons but came out of the game because of a knee injury. Say what you want about Lewis and Butler, but one has been making the most out of there opportunities while the other has not.

    • Cols714

      They aren’t moving Colon to guard. I think HIlls will be the starting right guard. It does seem like Lewis has turned the corner this year and will contribute.

  • Hoffstra323

    Tony hills has to have a spot on this line somewhere. maybe they should try Colon at right guard and let hills play right tackle. This man just has way to much upside to sit on the bench. I like the fact that the steelers are playing him at guard, but he is built to be a tackle. He is too tall to play guard, and he is very athletic which should translate into being a good tackle. The steelers gotta get this thing figured out so the starters can get some time in together. Pouncey will also be out until the season opener.

    James Harrison does not look like james harrison. until he gets back to a hundred percent, ” If he ever does” They should give Jason Worilds the opportunity to spell Harrison. This will give everyone the chance to see if he can play football at a high level. Some people will say its to early and he needs more time in the system. I am tired of hearing that nonsense. In the case of rookies this year I would agree because of the lockout, but this is his year to shine. This is football ladies and gents, not rocket science. I get tired of people making it out to be so much more. I would rather have harrison on the field at 75% than Worilds at 100%, however if Worilds assignment is to strictly go after the quarterback, “which is all the steelers trust him to do anyway” then he should be at least adequate. Lamarr Woodley was a second round draft pick just like worilds. He played well in his rookie campaign and was a second year starter. 

    I would like to see a lot of Crezdon Butler on thursday. If he has a big game against Carolina then he should be in the mix for playing time this year. the downside for Butler appears to be his tackling, and steelers love hard hitting physical corners, combine that and the fact that he is oft injured. If he can just stay healthy than I think that more time on the field should help sure up his tackling. When he is in the game he looks impressive, he is challenging recievers for the catch more so than some of the other steeler db’s last year in preseason he did not play much, but he did get a pick, and showed enough to make the team. In his audition against the falcons he looked good, and had another pick, lets look for one more on Thursday.

    Keenan Lewis seems to be the guy who will step in for Mcfadden, or at least that’s what I have been hearing. I disagree with this. I don’t know what jumps out about this guy for people. There is no way you can trust a guy to play corner when he can’t even be a gunner on special teams, how many times has he been penalized for the same bonehead mistakes. He has looked better this year, but still has not shown enough. He has looked good in one game, and that was against the eagles. I cant give to much credit there because I think vick forgot which PA team he was playing for. He looked to be having another solid performance against the falcons but came out of the game because of a knee injury. Say what you want about Lewis and Butler, but one has been making the most out of there opportunities while the other has not.

  • David

    OK, my first post of the season:

    1. Our D doesn’t look good. No worries, though, since we don’t game plan preseason games.
    2. Ben looks solid. But he looks pretty PO’ed at his line whenever he gets hit.
    Aside: how does he get his helmet ripped off and there’s no flag???
    3. Brown looks like our #1 receiver.
    4. Timmons looks solid.
    5. Our secondary will be our major weakness this year. Look for teams to pass, pass, pass on us.

    • Joe Stitt

       1. When they try, they do well. Troy could have about 4 picks if he was trying harder. And the fact that Keenan Lewis didn’t completely explode against Roddy White is promising.
      2. Ben looks primed for his best season. I just want Arians to let him get back in the no-huddle offense more.
      3. Brown will be a beast this year.
      4. Timmons is Harrison without the mental issues.
      5. I’m fine with that. There are two schools of thought to defending the pass. Blanket coverage, or devastating blitzing. Up until the Super Bowl, they did pretty well with the latter. We’ll see how they do this year.

  • Anonymous

    Random article about Roethlisberger I just happened across: http://www.footballnation.com/content/only-one-obstacle-could-keep-roethlisberger-out-canton/8211/

    • Joe Stitt

      Great article. But according to that moron Jeff Doan in the comments, Ben has to play for the Browns or the Bengals to be a HOF quarterback. Because if your team, god forbid, has a great defense, that just shows you’re a crappy quarterback who can never carry a team. Even if you have the most 4th quarter comebacks by anybody in their first 7 seasons.

  • Anonymous

    Rewatching the Falcons game I just noticed a tackle in the Steelers secondary made by a pair of DBs called Lewis and Clark.

  • EasyLikeSundayMorning

    I’ve asked this before but don’t think anyone ever answered.  Why couldn’t Flozell Adams play RG?  He wouldn’t pull and wouldn’t move to the second level much, but he should be able to use his old man strength to deal with mountainous DTs like Cody.  It is not like our RGs have pulled much in a long time.  And signing him would give depth for RT, too.  Even if he can’t play RG, I hope he’s staying in shape, as we might need him at some point.

    • Hoffstra323

      you have a good point. Flo would be a decent right guard… the steelers need to use there depth on the line as strategy. while we dont have a lot of talent on the line we have guys that are capable of contributing something. If you call a run play you would want to have legursky blocking, he has great leverage. Tony hills does seem to play a bit high. if you call a pass play though i would rather have hills at guard because he has the longer arms to keep guys at bay. Flo would be an improvement because he is just so massive and strong that I think it makes him a better option, however like u said he will not pull very well. how we game plan for teams should effect the starting line, especially at right guard. the steelers just dont seem willing to spend that much money on Flozell. It is a legitimate concern thou. we need to have average pass protection at best, Ben thrives when the pass protection breaks down. that is what makes him and our offense so great. that also makes legursky more of an asset than tony hills. My point is the upside of legursky’s run blocking is more important than the upside of hills pass protection.
       when we hand the ball off we have our linemen doing what they do best which is blocking for the run. We should try hills at right tackle and colon at right guard. when we run the ball behind the right guard you dont want tony hills there. He will have trouble winning the leverage battle and clog up some of the running lanes. out at the tackle spot hills will have more room to operate where he can be more effective and use his athleticism. that would also give mendenhall enough time for adjustments when running off tackle. That is one of the things that makes mendenhall’s game stand out.  His ability to make something out of nothing when run blocking breaks down.
      you need maulers in the middle of the offensive line. tough run blocking in the middle means first downs. my fear is having legursky and pouncey on the field at the same time. The last thing a steelers fan wants to see is trai essex playing center, or trai essex playing anywhere for that matter.  i would love to see hills and gilbert playing the tackle spots for us this year, or at least one of the two. These two under sean kugler could have tremendous upside.

  • Anonymous

    Does anyone know what was up with that illegal lining up in front of the center call during the Falcons game?

    • Hoffstra323

      I am not positive but during the game it was said that there had been a rule change in regards to lining up directly over center on punts. as to why this has occurred, I have no idea. any new rules i hear unless they are self explanatory I just chalk up to the illusion of safety

  • Hoffstra323

    Bryant mcfadden had his best year as a steeler last year, and everyone seems to have him on the hot seat. if you think keenan lewis is a better fit… I think that is just desperation. Bmac put up solid numbers last year. he had 81tackles, 2 sacks, 2 picks, and 2 forced fumbles. i know he had lots of tackles cause his guy was catching the ball but at least he was making the stops. the steelers have a bend dont break philosophy and mcfadden abides by that. he was responsible for giving up only three touchdowns last year. he started all 16 regular season games last year and the year before. if the steelers do ever replace him, or should i say when  i would like to see him stay on the team. I dont see why he couldn’t play special teams and fill in as needed at corner. He does not seem to demand big money on the free agent market and that just adds to his value as a steeler. He played free safety at FSU and ran a 4.5… i would love to see him get some reps in the future at safety. maybe later on down the line he could help us there.

    • JJ Cooper

      Hoffstra, BMac had one of the worst completion percentages on passes thrown to his man of anyone in the league last year. And yes, he did start all 16 regular season games, but he didn’t finish a lot of them because of injury issues. I would have liked to see him play at free safety in practice this August as well, but the lack of a CBA and his further injuries probably ruined any chance of that.

  • Randy Steele

    This isn’t a bad read, although I think most of us could have written it.

    http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/08/30/steelers-2011-preview

  • EasyLikeSundayMorning

    I re-watched the last Super Bowl so I could delete it from the DVR. 
    Without the pressure of wondering about the outcome, it was much more
    enjoyable than I expected (and infinitely more enjoyable than watching
    it at the time).  It was closer than I remembered and could have easily gone our way with 1-2 different plays.  The 3 turnovers really stood out, with each being an absolute killer, and two of them were pretty unusual.  I think we
    would have won 6-7 times out of 10 if we replayed that game.  Oh, well, time to let it go.

    One thing I had missed before was Aikman’s comment that Pouncey was the
    best rookie offensive lineman he had ever seen.  Quite a statement.  I
    wonder whether we take Pouncey for granted.

    • Hoffstra323

      Pouncey is way too young to be taken for granted… he only played one season! how much football do you really think Aikman has seen him play. lets just hope his ankle does not become a chronic issue. the steelers lost that game in the first quarter, they panicked. I have to side with james harrison on some of his comments that he made. the steelers should have run the damn ball and played the time clock game. You can not stop aaron rodgers, you can only hope to contain him. the packers wide outs did everything they could to give that game away. that game was not nearly as close as the scoreboard indicated. I am a diehard steelers fan but we deserved to get beat. I don’t believe that the best team won, and that is what is upsetting to me. I mean come on, there starting running back was john kuhn,  he may or may not be faster than doug legursky. Issac Redman had 19 yards on two carries!!! anyone with the slightest bit of common sense would know the steelers way to victory would be running the football, and controlling the clock. and as great as ben is he turned in another sub par super bowl performance. people seem to forget  “steelers fans included” that its not our offense we are know for but our defense. we did not give our defense a chance to get us back in that game by controlling the clock on offense. I guess I would blame bruce arians the most, he was calling the shots. ben has to be a close second. I would let rashard off the hook had he not been standing so upright when he got hit and fumbled that ball. they played like a bunch of jp’s and in layman’s terms amateurs.

  • EasyLikeSundayMorning

    Ivy, Grisham, TE McCoy and OL Malecki on the practice squad, according to BTSC. And Steelers West signed Crezdon. http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2011/9/4/2404317/steelers-2011-practice-squad-jamie-mccoy-tyler-grisham