Chattin’ Thread for the Week of Sept. 26

Consider this your thread for chattin’….

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  • https://plus.google.com/100857546184516732260/posts Dr Obvious

    Here’s a baby-centric Steelers question for you then: Who’s jersy are you getting for the little ones?  I got my kid a Heath Miller jersey when he was born two years ago.  The criteria is i) has to be in the beginning of a long term contract that he’ll play out and ii) has to be someone who’s not going to get into off the field trouble.  You don’t want to look back on baby pictures and go “WTF were we thinking”

    I think if you just had a kid, you gotta go with Woodley.

    We’re expecting #2 in April.  I hope we sign Wallace to a long term deal in the off season.  Who else is up for a new contract at the end of the year?  It’s too early for Hood, right?

    • Anonymous

      Sepulveda!

      The real answer for me is none because they are expensive and last only a few months before she’ll move on to the next size. If I wasn’t worries about that, then it depends on my mood, but Polamalu, Bettis, and Lambert would be top picks.

    • David

      Right now, I’d go for Pouncey.

    • Anonymous

      For what it’s worth, before I bought my Heath Miller jersey I asked a friend who was at UVA while he was there if she knew of any stories involving Heath taking girls into bathrooms at frat parties.  She claimed he was a decent person.  That’s a safe bet.

      • Anonymous

        How about a Batch jersey? Charlie or Baron, take your pick.

  • Cols714

    I’m one of the few who don’t think that Jonathon Scott sucks. I actually think he’s basically average. But Dwight Freeney scares the shit out of me.

    Can the Steelers please stop signing their linemen to long contracts? As soon as the they sign they get injured. Simmons, Kemo, Colon.

    Assuming Colon comes back healthy next year, him at RT and Gilbert at LT, the Steelers should be OK there in the future. Now if they can just draft or sign two decent guards.

  • ecks

    awful. the tactic to run against the steelers is to dive at Hampton’s legs while hes engaged with the center. its constantly happening during this game.

  • https://plus.google.com/100857546184516732260/posts Dr Obvious

    How about we stop running into the teeth of the defense?  We gave up on that last year, and it worked out pretty well.

    • ecks

      that, and max starks or adams, anything but a turnstile at left tackle

  • Anonymous

    That whole “skill players can protect the QB too” thing really isn’t working out well this season. Plus Ben seems to be having serious accuracy issues for all 3 games – he’s sailing balls in INTs in both this game and the Ravens game, while routinely putting balls high. Maybe he needs to put the gloves back on?

    • https://plus.google.com/100857546184516732260/posts Dr Obvious

      You put your QB in 3rd and long because you refuse to stop running for 1 yard on 1st, you put your QB in a bad spot.

      • Anonymous

        I completely get what you’re talking about, but I’m not sure what a play caller can do about that. Part of the problem is that the defense knows throws are coming. If you stop running you worsen that. The problem is that the runs are ineffective, and that’s coming from the play of the big guys up front. I guess you get the short yardage passing game more involved.

        • https://plus.google.com/100857546184516732260/posts Dr Obvious

          Short passes.  Trips and bunches quick routes.  We were doing it last year when the run wasn’t there.

  • Anonymous

    Well, the defense is mostly doing its job, but blech, this game is awful. Most of the blame falls on the line, but Ben gets a big chunk as well. Giving up fewer turnovers and getting a few the other way would be awful nice.

  • Anonymous

    It would be swell if we could rely on those chip shot field goals being converted.

  • Cols714

    We really need to call Max Starks.

  • DJAnyReason

    I think we’ve run on every 1st-and-10 in the 2nd half but one.  I haven’t seen Bad Bruce like this since 2009.  I didn’t want to either.

    • squiggles

      seriously.. then its 2nd and 10..,  if not 12. Best case 8

  • Cols714

    Right now this game is on Jon Scott. He’s been really terrible.

  • Dean Keaton

    anyone know why Gilbert is out?

    • https://plus.google.com/100857546184516732260/posts Dr Obvious

      shoulder

  • Cols714

    Yay! a turnover

  • https://plus.google.com/100857546184516732260/posts Dr Obvious

    Painter’ed!

  • Cols714

    Shades of 2009 here with the defense on this last drive. curtis freaking painter

  • https://plus.google.com/100857546184516732260/posts Dr Obvious

    Really sad to see Arron Smith playing like a shell of his old self.

  • Rob D

    This is the game where the Steelers prove themselves not to be in the elite of the league anymore. LT, RG..not NFL level talent. Pouncey hasn’t played as well as he showed last year but that’s not unusual for sophomore talents. Ben in no way resembles the QB in the preseason who looked poised to have a huge year. STill pretty good but I fear he’s not going to last long with rush ends using J.Scott as a bowling ball ..they just roll him right into Ben’s legs. No pass rush against Kerry freakin Collins and something called Painter almost had an easy TD when Ike decides he feels like the rambling gambling man in a close game.

    Extremely disappointed. This is a team they should have beaten easily in the first half and it looked like it might happen early.

    Not an Arians basher but this is the kind of play calling that sets the wolves loose.
    AT least we can stop the run..and we can run the ball..right? Oh…ok..

    • Anonymous

      I can’t see anything here with which to disagree. I can only hope they pull their shit together and play a lot better from here on out.

      • Rob D

        If they can get the L tackle spot patched up and probably start Ziggy permanently over Aaron that would probably really help. Legs has to go too..but Foster can play there. This is more than just a wakeup game, they got the crap shaken out of them..play after play of Scott just being abused.

        Better now..3 games in, that they realize what they are going with isn’t going to work. It’s going to get Ben killed.

        Sanders. I liked how after the INT he decided his part in the play was over. Also a big drop and a nice 3rd down catch. Good thing we have Wallace and Heath and James and Ike and Polamalu cause we don’t win this without them.

        Steamed. I’ll cool off by tomorrow. It’s only a game but these nationally televised ones carry more impact for me.

    • David

      Rob D, I agree wholeheartedly. However, we amassed 408 total yards. If, and this is a big if, we give Ben time, we can move the ball up and down the field.

      The only things we can hope for are the positive development of Gilbert and we sign Flozell.

      Until then, we are not in the same league, figuratively, as the Patsies and Raisins in the AFC. The Bills, well, we’ll see about them.

      But another scary thought to me: teams are now running on us.

  • https://plus.google.com/100857546184516732260/posts Dr Obvious

    Collinsworth is calling a really good game tonight… Holy shit, Scott is down…

  • Cols714

    I’m not confident about this kick. I miss Skippy.

  • ecks

    mario williams can’t wait for next week

  • Cols714

    Please call Max Starks, Mr. Colbert.

  • https://plus.google.com/100857546184516732260/posts Dr Obvious

    Polamalu basically won this game.  He missed that hand off, but he went beast mode for about 10 minutes there, and without that, the Steelers would be drawing an L tonight.

  • Cols714

    Well, it’s a win. Besides the OL, I thought the rest of the team played pretty well tonight.

    Browns looks great on punt returns. Ben looked like Ben. Wallace is basically uncoverable. But man were our OTs really really bad.

  • Anonymous

    Really ugly win. If it was anyone but Curtis Painter in there, Pierre Garcon would have a TD and we’d be talking about a very grim loss.

    Our OL has really gone to pieces and, unfortunately, our DL is showing signs of strain as well. Awful to watch Aaron Smith and Big Snack get pushed back one-on-one by a bunch of Indy o-linemen not exactly known for run-blocking. I’m very worried about the Texans O-line pushing us around next week.

    • Cols714

      Yes. We are lucky he missed that. What is going on on the DL?

  • Sunil r

    Hard to see how we’re going anywhere with this offensive line. And hard to see our d-line getting pushed around this way.

    • Cols714

      Yeah because the Steelers have never won with a terrible OL. It is terrible though.

      I don’t know why teams are able to run on us, are Smith and Hampton just about done?

      • DJAnyReason

        I’ve seen Smith get pushed around more this year than I think I’ve ever seen before.  He got pancaked on the Ray Rice TD in week 1, and was generally just getting moved at will last night.  I don’t think Snack’s been bad, just getting double teamed.

        Its sad about Smith, considering how spectacular a player he was, but DLs generally play well for a long time then fall off a cliff.  His last injury may have been his cliff.

  • David

    Did anyone else notice Mendy not hitting the right holes or not following his blockers?

    He got slammed down on one play; maybe that gave him jumpy toes.

  • http://twitter.com/CaseyJoe45 Casey Adams

    Here’s a couple points for you.  Heath did better blocking Freeney than Scott did.  It looked like the Colts were just following the pulling lineman on a lot of running plays.  Anything any good Defender would do.  They were so fast to the ball and were reading the plays very well.  Steelers O Line just couldn’t hold their blocks on them.

  • YourAmericanIdolYall

    The black and gold should sign Reggie Wells (G).  He had his best years with Arizona but now has bounced between the Eagles and Panthers. The Steelers need to make a move and he is available now

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UR6KXGPFIFYZSVJNCXCJNHDQJQ Bob Costas

    The offensive line was embarrassing, but there is nothing surprising about that. I am getting worried about how teams can apparently run the ball on us now.  That trend needs to end quickly.

    It’s also sad to see Ward getting phased out of the passing game.  The day was going to come but it still sad to watch.

  • SteelerBill

    Hey guy’s…sorry very difficult to post during the game with a 2 year old negotiating Yo Gabba Gabba….In any event….yes Mendy looked like Fred Astaire…we don’t have to peak until December/January…but that was ugly….and not in a good way….time to right the ship – the Texans are tough….

  • SteelerBill

    Hey guy’s…sorry very difficult to post during the game with a 2 year old negotiating Yo Gabba Gabba….In any event….yes Mendy looked like Fred Astaire…we don’t have to peak until December/January…but that was ugly….and not in a good way….time to right the ship – the Texans are tough….

  • EasyLikeSundayMorning

    In the first 4-5 games, I look for 4 things in this order:
    1. No major injuries
    2. Win
    3. Demonstrate no obvious “fatal flaws” that put our team ceiling below hoisting a Lombardi
    4. Play well

    Last night, we got 2 and arguably 1 (the OL injuries seemed like week-to-week, unlike Colon in week 1).  3 is debatable, as our OL may end up being a fatal flaw.  It isn’t dramatically different than last year’s OL, and we were a drive from hoisting a Lombardi, so I’m waiting to see how it shakes out (and whether we sign Max or Flozell).  We also don’t play Freeney and Mathis every week.

    If James Harrison can get his strength and game legs back in a few games, then hopefully Aaron Smith can, too.  But it seems obvious that Ziggy should be starting over Aaron for now when Keisel is healthy.  Hopefully we won’t have to cut Aaron to make cap room for Max and / or Flozell. 

    Bruce Arians has forgotten more than I know about offense.  Unfortunately, he seems to actually forget some obvious things.  The conventional wisdom is that the way you take out speed rushers is to run straight at them.  This slows their rush to make them respect the run, cuts down their angles and gives them body blows to tire them out.  Instead, Arians repeatedly called runs straight into the middle of the line. 

    Lastly, the most important thing in keeping the game close were Ben’s three turnovers.  He needs to protect the ball better.  The pick was on him and he saw one of the sacks coming enough to cover the ball.  If we are -2 (let alone -7), we will not win many playoff games. 

    • Anonymous

      “Hopefully we won’t have to cut Aaron to make cap room for Max and / or Flozell.”
      I wouldn’t worry about that. A veteran with enough years (Smith definitely qualifies) is guaranteed his full year’s salary if he is under contract to begin the season. Cutting him now would free up no money.

  • Guest

    Did anyone else notice the Colts receiver kicking the ball after an incomplete pass in the second quarter.  I felt like it was a blatant unsportsmanlike conduct that wasn’t called.  It was on the colts field goal drive…

    • Anonymous

      I saw it.  And Craig Wolfley commented on it after the play.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah I saw it and was wondering why it didn’t get called. It’s supposed to be an automatic delay of game foul.

      Three other oddities I noticed:

      Beginning at 13:16 remaining in the 3rd. On one Colts drive they were stopped half a yard short on third down. The ref spotted the ball correctly, and signaled fourth down. Magically and without explanation, the Colts then took a snap with the down reading 1st. Fortunately they went three and out gaining no more yardage immediately afterwards.

      At 10:03 remaining in the 4th. Robert Matthis jumped offsides really early. Instead of calling it, they called an illegal formation on the offense. The next play was a sack taking them out of FG range, so this one had an effect.

      At 4:00 remaining in the 4th. The Colts again get stopped half a yard short on 3rd down. This was a little less odd since it was the much more common case of just getting a super generous spot instead of a magic post facto conversion. This also had a big effect since it was near the beginning of the Colts’ tying TD drive.

      • GlennW

        Related to your first and third “oddities”, I’ve noticed that in recent years the officials have been much less rigorous about measuring for a 1st down, and rather are just spotting the ball, eyeballing the marker and making the down call, usually giving the benefit of the doubt to the offense for the 1st down.  I’m not sure how I feel about this, although I did think it ridiculous in the past when play was stopped and the chains were brought out when the football was plainly a half-yard (or more) short of or beyond the 1st-down marker.  There was probably some league directive regarding these unnecessary stoppages, but maybe the officials have gone a bit overboard in rectifying that situation.

        I don’t remember the first spot that you referenced, but on that last one the Colts were clearly short of a 1st down, and Tomlin could have challenged that spot and would have won it, if the booth had had time to see the replay and notify him.

      • GlennW

        Related to your first and third “oddities”, I’ve noticed that in recent years the officials have been much less rigorous about measuring for a 1st down, and rather are just spotting the ball, eyeballing the marker and making the down call, usually giving the benefit of the doubt to the offense for the 1st down.  I’m not sure how I feel about this, although I did think it ridiculous in the past when play was stopped and the chains were brought out when the football was plainly a half-yard (or more) short of or beyond the 1st-down marker.  There was probably some league directive regarding these unnecessary stoppages, but maybe the officials have gone a bit overboard in rectifying that situation.

        I don’t remember the first spot that you referenced, but on that last one the Colts were clearly short of a 1st down, and Tomlin could have challenged that spot and would have won it, if the booth had had time to see the replay and notify him.

        • Anonymous

          That reminds me of another annoying thing, coaches who challenge unchallengeable plays. They should be charged the challenge and timeout anyway. John Harbaugh is particularly guilty of this since he likes to do it for plays that are very obviously not challengeable in situations where he would very obviously like the pace of the game to slow. It’s pretty much equivalent to the faking injury thing the league just said it would go after, so maybe we will see something done about it.

        • EasyLikeSundayMorning

          On one of the first downs, it looked to initially be spotted behind the line and the ref sort of walking it up a few steps and over the first down line.

          I’ll have to watch for under-measuring / eyeballing.  One example of over-measuring was during the 3rd preseason game against the Falcons.  I was at Heinz, so I don’t know if the TV announcers discuss it. I think the Falcons were on offense. There was a kickoff that went into the endzone for a touchback.  The offense got the ball to the 30-yard line, with the ball over the line, and they brought out the chains to measure.  I could not understand why they needed to measure, as they could just look at the ball and the line and see if it was a first down.

          • GlennW

            I’ve seen that happen before and it makes no sense.  I suppose it could be argued that the exact measurement depends on the placement of the ball on the yard-line (because the yard-line isn’t widthless), but hell, at that point the call is arbitrary.  Just grant the first down if the ball touches any part of the yard-line, same as with the goal line. 

  • Anonymous

    See this from FO re next week:
    There’s another 2011 team that is declining almost as much as Minnesota in the second half: Houston. The difference is that Houston is playing much better in the first half, so when they decline in the second half, they just stop scoring rather than actively blowing leads. Still, through three games the Texans have outscored opponents 66-13 in the first half and been outscored 47-20 in the second half.

    • bengt

      I was about to post that as well, in order to contribute something useful for a change, but I forgot that you are in my timezone…

  • David

    So Dulac is reporting the sack-fumble that led to the Indy TD was a draw-quick pass option and Scott did his job. Really?????

    First off, how can a draw work when the DT is in the backfield?
    Second, if it was a quick pass, where was the quick pass? Pass it or throw it away.

    • GlennW

      A draw or quick-screen certainly can be designed to allow the DE into the backfield, with the runner/receiver then directed to the vacated spot.  However on this play all of the following occur:

      1) Ben is looking downfield, to his right side (away from Freeney)
      2) Mendenhall isn’t looking for the football in the timespan required for such a play
      3) there’s no slot receiver to the left side
      4) Scott retreats with Freeney after being “beaten”

      Unless the whole damned offense except Scott was running the wrong play, I don’t buy it.

    • GlennW

      Just saw Dulac’s exact description of the play.  The “quick-pass” option was supposed to involve Ben taking only a short 3-step drop, but he took a full 5-step drop (and was looking downfield as I described).

      So I guess it’s possible that Ben screwed up this play after all.  I’m still not crazy about letting Dwight Freeney barge in untouched unless you’re going to screen to his side (where there was no receiver).  Does it really make much sense to draw Freeney in like that if the pass option is to the right?

  • David

    Uh, who the heck is Jamon Meredith and what is he doing dressing for us on Sunday?

    I know, I know, he’s one of our backup O-lineman, but I’m too lazy to Google it. Where college did he play for and how did we get him? Oh, and, is he any good?

  • Matt

    DId anyone see the post on the Black n Gold about Numberfire predicting we lose 65% of the time?  That whole article seems like an advertising post for them.  

    65% is not exactly huge, and I think I’ve read that the home town team wins 60 or 75% of the time anyway.  I’m looking at the Injury report, and houston has 2 banged up CB’s.  And Williams has a bum knee.  Makes me hopeful they won’t be 100% effective.

    I think Ike will shut down Andre Johnson.  I’m kinda optimistic we can pull it off, but also thinking that Houston just lost a winnable game, and will want blood, and Ben is a turnover machine so far this season.  But I’d love to see us just come out kicking butt!

  • Dantemartire

    Let’s be honest, The Steelers have won in spite of Arains rerrible play calling, an offensive line that couldn’t block their grandmothers and a quarterback who refuses to what the defense gives him.  Check-out Bens superbowl stats.  Their defense is older, slower and teams have built offensive lines to stop our linebackers.  Aaron Smith has really lost is All Pro penetration or even containing lineman.  He has been manhandled all year. 
    We have great receivers but a system that can’t get them the ball quikly in seems and a QB who doesn;t work enough with his receivers to know where they will be when he delivers the ball.  He is no Peyton or Brady,  They know and understand everything about there receivers.  Gen’s man is Arians and that is a losing comnibation/