Steelers-Browns Week 17 Chattin’ Thread

Let’s go Bills, let’s go Bengals, let’s go Steelers…

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  • EasyLikeSundayMorning

    Buffalo’s up 14 early… Could Christmas come a week late?

    • Sarah

      Sadly, No.

  • Anonymous

    Darn Bills and Jets both lost.

  • Rob D

    What the NFL needs is more scoring.

  • Rob D

    1. Mendenhall down…I think this is another of those injury riddled years where you just can’t overcome the number of them and their severity as well as the crucial positions/players who go down each week. I thought at the start of this year that all this team needed to do was to stay healthy. They haven’t. Luck of the draw I suppose.

    2. Watching the Saints take advantage of the new rules against passing defense makes me gulp! We could play a near perfect game against that group and still give up 35 pts. Unstoppable? AS close as it comes. Take them out of the dome and they’d not be nearly as good but at home..fuggetabotit..

    3.

  • Anonymous

    Redman must be taking lessons from Mendenhall. Lots of spinning to convert that 4th down

  • Anonymous

    I wonder how many of Suisham’s missed field goals have been preceded by Ben taking a sack on 3rd down.

    • Sarah

      Suisham blows. Sorry. But he does. Makeable FGs are toss-ups w him.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe I don’t understand the rules, but shouldn’t that have been a fumble? Nobody touched Wallace down, so the ball popping out should be a fumble, right?

    • Anonymous

      He was touched prior to going down, making that a tackle and down by contact. If he hadn’t fumbled he wouldn’t be able to get up. The call on the field was correct.

  • Anonymous

    Good pressure by Worilds to keep Cleveland to a FG.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think they are going to win this game. Cleveland’s defense looks really good so far.

  • Anonymous

    Well that was a nice pass to Brown

  • Rob D

    I like the use of the fade to Hines Ward in hurricane conditions. Does Arians even understand that wind…ahhh..never mind..

  • Anonymous

    Has a team ever quit quite like the Buccaneers have? They are on their way to a 10th straight loss. Their previous four games have seen scores of 38-19, 41-14, 31-15, and 48-16, and they currently trail Atlanta 42-7 at halftime. Yeesh.

  • Anonymous

    You know, constantly chucking downfield into the wind might not be the best idea.

  • Anonymous

    You know, constantly chucking downfield into the wind might not be the best idea.

  • Anonymous

    Cotchery should have caught that pass.

  • Anonymous

    Cotchery should have caught that pass.

  • Anonymous

    Troy with the pick!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Worilds applied pressure on the play, and overall seems to be having a good game.

  • Anonymous

    Hines is a little old to be trying to hurdle people.

  • Anonymous

    Great run by Redman

  • Anonymous

    TD, Redman!!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Bengals scored, too. They trail 17-10.

  • Anonymous

    It would be nice if somebody would cover Cribbs. Or not let Seneca Wallace scamper for 20+ yards.

  • Anonymous

    Nice sack by Ryan Clark

  • Anonymous

    Questionable decision to decline the 3rd down holding penalty

    • Anonymous

      Questionable, certainly. But overall I agree with the decision. 3rd and long are downs where  you have to cover deep to prevent a big gain, which open up short yardage stuff. The most likely outcome it probably just about a ten yard gain anyway. So you balance the possibility of holding for no or short gain against the possibility of allowing a long gain or committing a foul that yields an automatic first down. Not an easy choice.

  • Anonymous

    Bengals have cut it to 17-13

  • Anonymous

    Ok., Now you can ignore Ward for the rest of the game.

  • Anonymous

    Nice. The Browns are throwing away a challenge, which will burn their second timeout.

  • Anonymous

    Which milestone achievement was cheaper? Favre taking a dive for Strahan, or Hines Ward’s shovel pass for a loss of 3 yards.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UR6KXGPFIFYZSVJNCXCJNHDQJQ Bob Costas

      I don’t even think the two are in the same zip code.  In Strahan’s case, an opponent (Favre) ignored the play call and went down to give him the record.  In the Steelers case they called a play to one of their offensive players (to get him the record for sure) that wasn’t successful.  There is no shame in that.  If the shovel pass went for 15 yards, would it seem cheap?  Besides, coaches/teammates looking out for the success of their guy is perfectly natural.  It happens all the time.

      Hell, Sean Payton and Bellichick both put their star TEs back in to blowouts, after pulling them earlier, to try and ensure that they set the all time TE receiving record.  The Steelers were calling passes to Ward in a game that was till in doubt.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UR6KXGPFIFYZSVJNCXCJNHDQJQ Bob Costas

        And one more thing, Ward wasn’t setting an NFL record for his catch.  It was just a personal milestone.  That is another key difference.

  • Anonymous

    Sigh…. Redman coughs it up, Cleveland recovers.

  • Anonymous

    For good measure, one of the Steelers gets called for a face mask penalty.

  • Anonymous

    Geez. Apparently Cedric Benson fumbled with the Bengals driving and Baltimore recovered.

    • Anonymous

      It was Jermaine Gresham, actually.

  • Anonymous

    And the Ravens have scored. About to go up 24-13 with just under 6 minutes left.

  • Anonymous

    Massaqoi drops a 1st down when he was wide open(McFadden was in “coverage”)

  • Anonymous

    Have the Steelers had one game this year in which an O-lineman didn’t get hurt at some point during the game? Foster has left the game

  • Anonymous

    Bengals have cut it to 8, still about 2 1/2 minutes left.

  • Anonymous

    Redman fumbles yet again, and Cleveland recovers again.

    • Anonymous

      That one irks me. Gilbert was in the pile and maybe had the ball maybe not, but a Browns player literally grabbed his leg and dragged him away. That should be unsportsmanlike conduct or at the very least holding. Either way it’s a pre-turnover foul and the Steelers retain possession.

  • Anonymous

    Gah. Gay nearly had a pick

  • Anonymous

    Ike with a huge pass breakup on 3rd and 10.

  • Anonymous

    Naturally, Maynard pins the Steelers deep on the punt

  • Anonymous

    Does this announcer know that there is an “H” in Roethlisberger? All game long he has referred to him as a ROT-lisberger.

  • Anonymous

    Um, wasting a timeout here could be costly.

  • Anonymous

    Also, throwing a pass on 3rd and 2 when the Browns don’t have any timeouts left seems questionable.

    Bengals lost. 5 seed for the Steelers.

    • Anonymous

      I a play action since the run was clearly expected. If the pass isn’t there hobble the two yards if that’s completely clear, or just take a knee and punt.

  • David

    Three milestones today:
    1. Hines, of course
    2. Heath passes Lynn on receptions
    3. Brown became the 1st player ever with 1000 receiving & return yards (Ed, if you’re reading this, still think he shouldn’t have been team MVP?)

    Without those, it would’ve been a forgettable game.

    • Anonymous

      Roethlisberger passed 4000 yards as well.

  • Randy Steele

    Is anyone else getting as bored as I am with the NFL’s fascination with 100-point games featuring pitch-and-catch football? Makes me wonder why anyone bothers trying to build a team with good defense.
    Pretty soon we’ll be watching wall-to-wall Arena League games.

    • David

      You know, I’ve thought about this and the NFL is doing what they can to make it the most popular sport. The average NFL fan knows about good D and good team play, but the NFL wants to gain the interest of everyone else–men, women, kids, international fans who understand hockey or soccer in/out–to make the league a trillion dollar business.

      I don’t agree with this, and I think Fantasy football is sac religious with its focus on points.

      Look at today, two tough D’s and low scoring affair. We win. But games like this won’t gain the non-NFL fans, and Goodell knows that.

      So what our FO has to do, which they have already, is to realize this and adapt.

    • Rob D

      It’s Ok to watch a few games that feature high scoring but I agree that I am sick to death of  all the scoring and the flag fest that keeps drives alive.

      You want to win long term in this league? Put most of your money on offense. Foolish to do otherwise. I will say this. I watch fewer and fewer non Steeler games each year and check out of a lot of them in the third quarter. I get bored when a TD is basically meaningless. I can and do watch the CFL and never thought I’d see the day when 30-30 scores were commonplace.

      live and learn…

  • David

    And didn’t I tell you the Bungels would live up to their name?
    -two long TD runs by Rice
    -fumble in Raisins territory when down by 7
    -had to settle for a FG when down 7
    -FG when they reached the Raisin’s 5, down 14

    • GlennW

      That last FG came with the Bengals down 11 (not 14), but it’s still dumb as it left the Bengals needing a TD and 2-point conversion with almost no time left.  It’s the old “extend the game” philosophy that places a priority over keeping slim chances alive as opposed to actually trying to win the game.  Not as dumb as the Cowboys actually punting down 10 points with 5 minutes to play, but still right up there.

      • countertorque

        I didn’t actually get to see the whole game.  But, I believe that the smart decision is to get the FG as soon as you can when down by 9-11.  It’s better to take the FG and save time for the next possession than to keep grinding and maybe take a FG anyway, leaving no time for the drive that requires a TD. 

        I think the Bengals basically wasted all of their time and then took the FG, which I agree is stupid.

        • GlennW

          When you need at least one TD (and a 2-point conversion) regardless why is it so important to save the available time for the last possession, versus using that time and all four downs in the current possession?  A possession is a possession, and you know you only have one full one left either way.  The additional advantage to playing all-out for TD on the next-to-last possession is flexibility– on the final possession it’s easier to make a 50-yard FG than hit a Hail Mary pass (which is exactly what the Bengals left themselves with from the Ravens’ 33), plus if you score the TD and don’t convert the 2-pointer at least you’ve left yourself with the (slim) possibility of scoring another TD to win the game.

          In general, NFL coaches place too much emphasis on “extending the game” as opposed to trying to score in order to win (or tie) in the precious little time remaining.  There’s little understanding of the actual probabilities involved.  Hence, you have a situation where Marvin Lewis essentially chooses an end-of-game Hail Mary attempt over a very makeable 5-yard passing attempt into the endzone that would legitimately keep his team alive as opposed to hoping and praying for a miracle.

  • Rob D

    Mendy tore ACL..

    This team..can’t stay healthy.. at all.

    I don’t think this will end in the Super Bowl this year but its always an interesting ride

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UR6KXGPFIFYZSVJNCXCJNHDQJQ Bob Costas

      I think we’ll be fine with Redman. 

      I know that people have said this before, and that some people here strongly disagree, but Redman looks like the better running back.  It may just be that Redman is better suited to the run blocking, or lack thereof, that the line provides. 

      I will be very disappointed if the Steelers sign Mendenhall to an expensive long term deal.  The late round and undrafted running backs are often as good as the first rounders and are considerably cheaper.  Let Mendenhall play out his rookie deal and draft a replacement late this year or next.

      • Randy Steele

        As a big fan of Redman, I generally agree with your summary, but I have to admit that he doesn’t have that burst of speed that Mendenhall has.

        As far as a long-term deal for Mendenhall, I suspect that his price took a huge hit yesterday, as did his knee. I wouldn’t sign him unless I felt confident that he hadn’t lost his fifth gear.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UR6KXGPFIFYZSVJNCXCJNHDQJQ Bob Costas

          This may be overly harsh but I feel like Mendenhall is just a guy.  He tends to go down relatively easy on first contact (no small thing with our run blocking).  If his biggest value is that he can run faster than Redman when he gets to the 2nd level, well, we don’t get much opportunity for that.  And players with the “fast” skill set can be found pretty easily every year.  Add on to it that running backs have such a short lifespan and I just can’t see a compelling reason to resign Mendenhall.

          • Randy Steele

            As far as yesterday’s game, I’m more concerned with the possible losses of Cortez Allen and Keenan Lewis than I am Mendenhall. (This just in: The Steelers signed back Anthony Madison to shore up their secondary. Uh-oh.)

            Isn’t it crazy that we are in an era of professional football that places a higher priority on good cornerbacks than good running backs?

      • Rob D

        I think Mendy is the better back in just about every category other than short yardage ability. I don’t think he’s an elite back in the STeven Jackson category or Adrian Peterson et al but I also believe he’s running behind a very mediocre O-line who rarely open decent holes for him. You watch a good running team and the number of times the back hits the hole and isn’t touched for a yard to a yard and a half is instructive. I really like Redman but I don’t think he’s even in Mendy’s area code with regard to talent, shiftiness, vision, open field agility, etc. 

        I think the Mendy injury was the final straw that broke the camel’s back for this edition of the Steelers. Ben and the passing attack are going to have to carry a huge load and I don’t like our chances for a variety of reasons. We should beat Denver but I don’t see them beating anyone else on the road whether its NE or Baltimore.

        • countertorque

          Well, the Steelers can’t run on Baltimore with Mendy or Redman, so I don’t see any changes there.  And the NE defense blows, so Redman should do fine. 

  • EasyLikeSundayMorning

    That sucks on Mendy. Redman is good, but Mendy has a burst and was fresh going into the postseason. Winning 4 games with our current slate of RBs will be tough.

    If we had to go on the road, at least it is against an 8-8 team that backed into the playoffs with a QB who completed 6 passes for 60 yards in a play-in game.

    Even though I agreed with the decision to IR Aaron Smith, and I have no idea if he could be healthy by now, I wish he was healthy and on the roster for the Broncos (and possibly the Ravens).

    • David

      Yep, sucks, bigtime.

      There’s a distinct possibility that, looking forward, the #6 Bungels beat the Schaub-less Texans, and we beat 8-8 Broncos.

      That would pit us vs. the Raisins and the Bungels at Gillette.

      The AFC is wide open. The Raisins are a slight favorite, since the Patsies’ D is suspect. But anything is possible.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UR6KXGPFIFYZSVJNCXCJNHDQJQ Bob Costas

    Am I over reacting or has Wallace seemed “off” the last couple of games?  He seems disinterested.  Like not looking for passes or not contesting off target deep balls.  Is this a figment of my imagination?

    • Rob D

      I don’t think so bob, He doesn’t fight for position when he should and just seems to be a spectator when the ball isn’t thrown perfectly to him. He’s great once he makes the catch, a lot like Santonio IMO. But if he lost the top gear off his speed, He’d be just another guy.Again, just my opinion! I love Wallace but guys who rely exclusively on speed don’t have long careers. He’s made a few strides with regard to catching the shorter routes etc. and I applaud that. But many people seem to be infering that he’s now the 2nd coming of Cris Carter or something. He’s far from complete but then again, he’s till pretty young. I hope he learns that a ball in the air is ALL HIS! MY ball…lol

    • Anonymous

      He’s appeared off to me as well. I wonder how much of that is Ben’s injury. Maybe other receivers have adapted better to it (and to Batch) than he has.

  • Randy Steele

    By the way, those of you who objected to the Steelers dumping Santonio Holmes a couple years ago should hear some of the noise coming out of the Jets’ locker room recently.

    Apparently Holmes and Mark Sanchez got into a shouting match during a team meeting last week, and yesterday Holmes and Jets’ right tackle launched into a heated argument during the game. In fact, it became so bad that the Offensive Coordinator benched Holmes during the fourth quarter. (Rex Ryan, in his infinite wisdom, had made Holmes a team captain.)

    LaDainian Tomlinson, among other on the team, went so far as to complain to the press that Holmes had become disruptive and a distraction.Today, Holmes was escorted out of the Jets’ locker room by one of the Jets’ PR officials to make sure Holmes didn’t make any comments to the media.And, oh, did I mention that the Jets signed Holmes to a 5-year, approximately $50 million contract last summer, of which at least half is guaranteed.

    Score another one for Kevin Colbert and the Rooneys.

    • David

      Saw that. I was flipping around and heard Dierdorf say “I hope Holmes is injured.” What? Then I saw his shenanigans.
      Also, it was reported that he took himself out of the game. Geez.

      • Randy Steele

        He didn’t take himself out of the game. Ryan confirmed that Schottenheimer was responsible for the benching.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UR6KXGPFIFYZSVJNCXCJNHDQJQ Bob Costas

      I wasn’t as upset about trading him per se as for what they got in return. 

      • Randy Steele

        What do you think the Jets would get for him today?

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UR6KXGPFIFYZSVJNCXCJNHDQJQ Bob Costas

          Not much, considering the details of the contract they signed him to.

  • David

    RE: Hines at 1,000 catches

    Have you seen this list?

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_career.htm

    He’s ahead of some great receivers, like Monk, Irvin, Moss, Largent, and Reed.

  • Rob D

    I think this team can beat the Broncos but that’s it. I don’t see them beating NE or Baltimore on the road

  • EasyLikeSundayMorning

    I’m waiting for Tebow to pull an Inigno Montoya from the Princess Bride and say, “But I am not left-handed.” If not, we’re lucky to draw him in round 1, as our CBs will apparently be Ike, Gay, McFadden and… Drum roll please… Anthony Madison.

    This season has to be some sort of Steelers record for signing guys off their couches: Starks, Essex, McFadden, Iwuoma… well, not yet on Chidi…

    • Anonymous

      Wasn’t sure where you were going with that Inigno Montoya ref at first…I was wondering if Ben killed his father or something.

  • Rob D

    I have a really scary feeling in the pit of my stomach after reading Steeler blogs around the net. Seems to be a lot of bravado and overconfidence which isn’t all that unusual as it clearly IS the time to get excited and hope for the best from the STeelers in the playoffs. But rewatching the Cleveland game makes me wonder if we arent in for a 12-10 nailbiter type score with us on the wrong end of it.

    BB is not BB right now and he apparently tweaked his ankle again against Cleveland
    Mendy is out, Redman is going to carry the whole world on his shoulders in this one. He fumbled twice against Cleveland. Maybe he got it out of his system ,,maybe not. Hope he doesn’t run tentatively as a result.

    WE DON’t take the ball away..its not an aberration, its reality this year. Watching Polamalu get that INT  was great and he won Defensive player of the week for his efforts. Do you realize that is the first STeeler to do so this year? A small point that may illustrate the year to date..very good but not spectacular defense. WE need spectacular with Ben ailing.

    Tebow is a very good runner..if you can keep him in the pocket and force him to throw , I like our chances. But I am concerned the STeelers will want to play smash mouth and get into a type of war of attrition game that will keep the score down, and allow for Tebow Time to happen. He’s sucked the last few weeks, granted and I am no fan of his nor do I think he’ll ever be a competent QB in this league. But for one game..with our team hardly hitting on 8 cylinders, I’d hate to underestimate him.

    We should beat this team. If we were healthier, I wouldnt be worried about it at all. But I believe with Ben starting and being limited in mobility, it evens the odds out considerably. Add in one of the biggest HF advantages in sports, a rabid fan base, and Tomlin’s poor game mngmt, skills, you can get more than a little scared about this one.

    Reminds me of Cowher playing the Jets after going 15-1 in the regular season for some reason..and almost losing but being saved by a wonky kicker. I hate deja vu sometimes..

    • EasyLikeSundayMorning

      The Football Outsiders numbers suggest that Tebow is not an effective runner compared to other QBs, he just runs more often than others.

      • Rob D

        That’s cool..good to know..

        So is everyone freaking out about this game? You all seem so calm and I am a walking nutcase..lol

        • Randy Steele

          It’s a little bit sad to think that a poor performance by Tebow in this game might essentially end his career as a starting QB in this league.

          Not that I want him to have a good game. It’s just that he makes the NFL a lot more interesting.

          • Rob D

            I agree, Randy. He’s ..interesting. It can get annoying with all the hype but its great to watch ‘experts” all flustered and lost for words as a guy wins games that he “shouldn’t”…lol

            The NFL is a league that goes by the book. And its nice to occasionaly have someone come in and tear out whole chapters

        • GlennW

          I’m not too worked up about it.  I expect that the Steelers will win comfortably in Denver, but for the sake of argument let’s say that Ben plays terribly because of this bum ankle and we lose.  That’s life, right?  Unlike some other seasons, it’s not as if we have great expectations for this postseason, all factors considered.  So I’m philosophical about it all, and just plan on enjoying what football we have left.  Two playoffs wins and an AFC Championship Game appearance would be exceeding my modest (but certainly achievable) expectations.

  • Randy Steele

    Gee, it’s only four more days until the Steelers first play-off game of the 2011 season and not a single peep from our hosts.

    • Rob D

      Indeed. I think the Xmas season plays havoc with everyone, especially when you have a new baby and kids and relatives visiting etc. Then you add in the writing Ryan et al do for other sites and …voila..we have to keep it going as patrons of the site.

      I read a lot of blogs and I am continually amazed at how good a job people do who also have jobs and lives and distractions. I’d post about once a month If I had one..lol..

      Still, I miss Ryan. My wife wants more pictures of his baby..I want more podcasts. Plus he helps to keep from going off the deep end with my worry wort nature as the playoffs approach. I was nervous before playoff games when we had the Steel Curtain and its not got much better in the years since..

      • John S.

        I’ve taken to listening to the Pick 6 podcast over at CBS Sports.  It’s released on a consistent schedule and usually entertaining as it features our own Mr. Wilson.  Of course, it’s not just Steelers-focused, but Ryan usually ends up covering his Steelers-related points in an abbreviated form.  A nice little prelude when/if SL releases a podcast that week.

        • Rob D

          Duly notes..thanks John S.

          I will check it out

  • EasyLikeSundayMorning

    Chris Carter to IR, some RB named Spann signed to the active roster. Jeebus, the roster has as many Who’s That Guy as a preseason game.