Steelers Lounge Podcast #82: John Stallworth

It’s another Steelers Lounge Podcast, y’all…

JJ ANGRY. NO LIKE JJ WHEN HE MAD.

Well, the Steelers have gone and done it. They’ve caused JJ to lose his mind and all it took was a trade for one of the NFL’s worst tackles, Levi Brown.

JJ hastily convened the SL crew, we fired off a quick podcast (and by “we,” I mean I hit record while JJ went off for 15 minutes) and, frankly, it was something to behold.

You can also read about the Brown trade here and here.

Alrighty, talking starts promptly…

Steelers Lounge Podcast #82: John Stallworth

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  • Cols714

    What’s really sad here is that the Steelers spent two 2nd round picks on OTs. If both had worked out they would look so much better on offense. If just one of them worked out then at least we’d have a LT for the next few years. But both of them have failed so we are stuck making desperately stupid moves like this.

    • Rob D

      I was saying all summer that if they started Gilbert at LT, the chances for success were very small. I have no idea why they thought they could just plug him in there. Adams should be a RT at this stage of his very short career and we should have found another Max type to tide us over, (much like Flozell did for us at RT (I miss that guy..lol) For once, I was right about personnell but it really shouldn’t have been that hard to figure out. Now we play musical tackles and watch our QB take beatings again. SOOO much fun..If Ben goes down again this year, I’m going to turn into an obnoxious STeeler fan…and I try hard not to be that most years..
      IN fact, I think that should be our only remaining goal this blighted year..keep Ben out of the hospital at all costs.

  • Cols714

    One more thing. The salary cap issues are basically nothing. They can cut this guy after this year with no cap ramifications.

    Still a dumb move, but at least he’s gone after this year.

    • JJ Cooper

      We haven’t heard how they fit him under the cap this year yet. He’s got a $3.6 million cap figure and we only had supposedly $1.8 mil in cap room. So that means either he or someone else will have restructure to clear $1.8 mil in space. That means $1.8 mil is pushed onto next year’s cap or next year and 2015. And that’s if we use all of our cap room. If that’s the case, we’ll have to restructure before signing basically anyone with any kind of salary the rest of the season. Yes, they can cut him under his current contract without cap ramifications, but that doesn’t mean he’s not going to cost us space on our 2014 cap, which matters at this point a lot more than our 2013 cap.

  • http://www.steelerslounge.com/ ryan

    Great news — or at least reasonable news — via Steelers.com’s Bob Labriola:

    Regarding Levi Brown contract: Cardinals renegotiated it down to vet minimum before the trade. Levi not a cap issue for @Steelers.

    https://twitter.com/BobLabriola/status/385560455072075776

    That means the Steelers are only on the hook for $840K this season. So there’s that.

    • Eric

      I retract my earlier comments. Essentially a no cost flier.

    • Intropy

      That really changes everything. It goes from an expensive waste on a player just not worth the money to a cheap way to kick tires on a former top five pick at a position of weakness (both starter and depth) on the off chance the change of scenery brings him a renaissance.

    • Rob D

      OK. we can all go back to sleep then. That seems OK..doesn’t change the fact that the Steelers employ BOTH Whimper and Brown but I can live with it..

  • Terribletoweler

    As you guys noted, it came about that the cap hit isn’t as bad as it seemed. Could we view this just as a move to give Adams some competition to improve while adding a little depth to the line that isn’t any worse than what we have? I have no other rational explanation.

    • http://www.steelerslounge.com/ ryan

      Yep, exactly. The real loser here is Cody Wallace, poor guy. He can’t even get on the field when one guy is injured and the other is playing like crap.

  • Eric

    Here’s a nice read on Monroe, the Jags tackle the Ravens just traded for:

    http://miketanier.sportsonearthblog.com/eugene-monroe-best-of-a-bad-situation/

    It makes me feel better in two ways. One it doesn’t seem like the Ravens got a great player and two it speaks to how hard it is to project offensive lineman. See also, Brown, Levi and Adams, Mike. At least our guy was only a 2nd rounder and not a top 10 pick.

  • Eric

    I think Intropy was saying that he didn’t see much from Leveon Bell? Here is a nice writeup about his first game that more eloquently says what I was thinking:

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/film-room/2013/film-room-reggie-bush-and-leveon-bell

    • Intropy

      Yeah that was me. To make sure I was clear I didn’t see Bell as poor, good, or average. I just didn’t see an awful lot of anything being displayed considering the line play and the small number of runs.

      I’m glad to see that he is doing some good things in his few carries. I saw and was impressed by that one run where he turned a 2 yard loss into a 2 yard gain. I missed most of his good work on the TD and instead mostly just saw Miller’s crushing block on the edge. I still hold that it’s premature to get excited after 16 carries. But I’m now willing to fall on the “encouraged” side of the line.

  • Cols714

    Trading a draft pick for Levi Brown is still dumb this morning. Damn. I was hoping something would change. Ugh.

    • Eric

      Hard to say without knowing the conditions of the pick. If the Cards get a 7th rounder if he starts 8 games? Not a problem. If the Cards get a 4th round if he plays 25% of the snaps? Terrible deal.

      • Randy Steele

        Yeah, let’s see how all this works out before we join hands and jump together off the Clemente Bridge.

  • Cols714

    A reason to be optimistic? Our fumble luck sucks. From Barnwell

    “In the catbird seat are the Tennessee Titans. They’ve recovered eight of the nine fumbles in their games this year, an 88.9 percent figure that stands out from the crowd. They’ve recovered all four of their fumbles on offense while picking up four of the five fumbles they’ve forced on defense.

    On the flip side? The Pittsburgh Steelers, who can’t ever seem to catch a break (or stop fumbling). They’ve picked up just two of the 11 fumbles in their games, an 18.2 percent figure that can’t possibly stay this bad. They’re behind the 49ers and Chargers (each 2-for-9), Texans (2-for-7), and the Broncos (3-for-10).”

    • Eric

      Man, the Broncos have had bad fumble luck? What a scary team.

  • EasyLikeSundayMorning

    I thought JJ, as incensed as he was on the podcast, said he’d be ok with the trade if it was for the league minimum. Turns out Brown restructured his deal to move his salary into a bonus that the Cards paid, so the Cards take a the cap hit now but the Steelers take essentially no cap hit for trading for him. We give up a conditional late round draft pick and that’s all (and Isaiah Green, I suppose). It certainly isn’t the Matt Morris fiasco scenario that Adam was concerned about. JJ, are you now ok with the deal?

    One small bright spot in the deal: I assume Brown would have still gotten his 2013 salary if he’d been cut and he didn’t have to restructure if he didn’t want to. And if he’d been cut he would have been free to sign with any team. So by restructuring to enable a trade, he essentially “picked” the Steelers as his new team. Hopefully that means he’s somewhat motivated to play for us.

    • countertorque

      Sure. He watches the games. He’s thinking “now there’s a work environment that’s in line with my talents.”

  • Cols714

    OK. I guess I overreacted. Neil Coolong over at BTSC makes a pretty compelling case. Read the whole thing, it’s good.

    http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2013/10/3/4798890/steelers-levi-brown-trade-mike-adams-offensive-tackle-depth-chart

    • Eric

      Thanks, that was a good article.

      • Randy Steele

        Ahhhh… finally a splash of calm, cool reason.

  • Eric

    Everyone say hello the first place Cleveland Browns!

    Barring a miraculous turnaround for the Steelers, I’d actually love it if the Browns won the division. Mostly because their fans deserve a fun season and partly because only the Browns could screw up and win the division when they are trying to tank for draft picks.

  • EasyLikeSundayMorning

    More reason to suspect that Kevin Colbert and Mark Millen didn’t do a Freaky Friday brain swap… http://nicepickcowher.com/2013/10/04/steelers-reportedly-receive-unannounced-draft-pick-addition-levi-brown/

    • Rob D

      Hmm..if we get to swap a 7th for a 6th or something similiar..me likeeee…I’m all for whatever gets us more and multiple picks this coming offseason. WE need LOTS…For the first time in many years, the STeelers don’t have enough quality horses to run.

    • David

      Easy, nice find. I guess it proves not only that we as fans should not overreact to certain moves, but that we should let our FO do their job.

      I’m not saying that our FO was playing the role of Scrooge while secretly delivering turkey and stuffing to the homeless shelters, but the deal is making more sense day after day.

      Again, good find.

      And in this bye week, GO BUCS (and I’m not talking ’bout Tampa Bay–scratch that, everyone knew that)!

  • Cols714

    So I think it can be said that a lot of people, including me!, overreacted. There is nothing at all wrong with the trade.
    This podcast is not going to age well.

    • Rob D

      True,,but if the initial speculation had been proven correct and the STeelers were paying him a pile of money and had to cut someone from the roster to fit him in..entirely warranted outrage.
      It’s hard for me to get outraged about anything Steeler related…I believe they are going to get rolled by a suddenly rejuvenated Jets team and 0-5 is going to bring out the worst of STeeler nation to roam the land with torch and noose…Part of me is hoping we get a top 5 pick in exchange for a misbegotten season. The other part is wondering why I am in league with some of the idiots calling themselves STeeler fans out there on the internet. I mean…wow…It’s a down cycle for a team that has delivered the goods in the salcap era ..not the end of civilization. lol…

  • Eric
    • countertorque

      Awesome article. I was thinking about that too. I remember how horrible we thought the coaching staff was in 2002.

  • Rob D

    From this article: http://tinyurl.com/p3tbu2k

    Bill Polian, a six-time NFL executive of the year, recently saw one of the greatest quarterbacking performances he’s witnessed during more than a half-century of football watching.

    He called it “phenomenal” and “unbelievable.”

    Peyton Manning’s seven touchdown passes on the NFL’s opening night?

    No, an under-siege Ben Roethlisberger’s play as he nearly rallied the Steelers from a 17-point deficit in the fourth quarter during their 34-27 loss to the Vikings in London last Sunday.

  • EasyLikeSundayMorning

    A Scott Brown piece with some background on Omar Khan:

    http://m.espn.go.com/general/story?storyId=9776450&src=desktop

  • Eric

    According to PFF our offensive line is about average! Average! That’s huge increase compared to other years.

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/10/09/ranking-the-2013-offensive-lines-first-quarter/3/

    • David

      From snap to whistle there’s be no real drop off with Fernando Velasco on
      the field as the interior of this line has done a nice job. It’s as
      good a Steelers line as we’ve seen in a while, which admittedly isn’t
      saying much.

      OK. Wa-wa-wait a minute. What? Did I read that right? Just as good as our XLIII line?